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dramatic video of the chase that ends in gunfire steps from the hill with a woman behind the wheel of a car and the child in the back police open fire on that vehicle. latest on the driver who was killed by police coming next. plus, day three of america held hostage by politics. >> there is one way out of this reckless and damaging republican shut down, congress has to pass a budget that funds our government with no partisan strings attached. >> the republican position is we believe we should fund this government but we also believe that this should not be any special treatment for anyone. >> so when will it all end? i'll ask top lawmakers and tropical storm karen in the gulf, when will it make

landfall? we'll have that later. i'll have more with benjamin on what he says about iran that may surprise you as much as it surprised me. we begin with a deadly chaste in washington. dana bash has the latest. you were on capitol hill at the time dealing with the house shut down story and what made you realize there was a big event happening right outside. >> a huge siren. the emergency alert system that was actually installed here in the capitol after 9/11 that went off. now sometimes it goes off just for drills, but sitting in the senate majority leader harry reid's office which is where i was because we were ready to do an interview and hearing the loud blaring siren and then it was quickly followed by a person on the speaker saying that we were to be basically in lockdown, shelter in place they said, certainly as you can

imagine was very frightening. the good news for myself and our crew, you know, we immediately got information because of the proximity to power where we were. we really were able to hear what was going on, but there is no question that the people who protect -- when i say the capitol, people protect us every day because i'm here every day were pretty remarkable. they got a standing ovation on the house floor and deserve that and much, much more because piers, they ran to deal with this in a nanno second. everybody is here working, the entire police force. nobody is taking off and they are not getting paid right now because of furloughs, because of the government shutdown they did the heroic work today without a paycheck. >> having said that, is anybody raising the concern this lady is unarmed didn't have a gun, the scenes when police surround her

with raised fair arms there would be kweps raised i guess whether the use of deadly force was legitimate here. what are you hearing about that? >> there absolutely could be. there is always second guessing in situations like this, but i believe given the root that she took from two very important places of power with very -- with a lot of security and law enforcement protecting people and particularly after what happened on 9/11 and the scar most recently at the navy yard, i think everybody was -- i know everybody was on high alert. of course they will do an investigation to see what happened. so far there doesn't seem to be second guessing. >> dana stay with me for a moment. i'll turn to bob casey outside the capitol. senator, obviously scary time for everybody at capitol hill and with all the drama with the shut koun this could be

anything. we see footage of you running there. what is going through your mind? when did you realize what happened, and what was your first fear? >> well, piers, when we were walking outside, which usually when i leave that thursday lunch, i usually walk under ground. this just happened to be outside. the first thought i had, the initial thought when i heard sirens and the law enforcement, i thought it was a dig tarry being escorted. when i got closer to the corner, i knew there was much more urgency to it and then i heard about three or four pops of gunfire, of course, then we knew it was serious. we started to walk back. two other senators and i walking back and police told us get down behind a car or anything. i thought this must be some kind of attack. we had no idea what the facts were at that point. but it was -- i think everyone anywhere near that, i was about a block and a half away had great concern it was some kind of an attack and maybe a

terrorist attack. >> a very frightening experience for everyone involved. come back to you, many i may, senator, the politics going on but quickly to debra ferrick who has details on the chase. she was outside the home where she has information. debra over to you. >> reporter: first of all, apparently the woman was at this building picking up her child on tuesday and she is her with her younger daughter, often takes care of this child 18 months old. the people inside did not open the door and did not want to speak to them at all. you're looking at the chase there that took place. the woman who tried to sort of move, maneuver her car and was when she backed into a police cruiser that the police began

jumping out of the way and the cruiser appears. this is an area so high valued any threat police are authorized to use force. we want to talk about another location in stanford, connecticut. that's where the woman was live living apparently with the child but we're told a robot was sent into the condo complex where she is to look around. neighbors were evacuated from the scene. they want to make sure the area is secured. they did find an envelope is suspicious and it was addressed to her boyfriend with his name on it. it's being taken away for testing. bomb squad on scene, you got hazmat and federal law enforce the teams there waiting to go in to execute the search warrant but right now what they want to

do is take everybody out of the complex to make sure the area is indeed safe. the woman in that car chase. once peeled off, police acting like this was a threat. no shots were returned from the black vehicle the woman was driving, that all the bullets were directed at that car and when police were firing, they didn't even realize that the 18 month old child was in that car with her mother and it wasn't until the car came to a stop and the so-called threat was neutralized. she was not hurt and taken to a local hospital and checked out. this is a woman whose got four sisters and authorities right now operating under the assumption that perhaps she had a mental stress, even possibly

post-partum depression. >> what made her do that obviously led to her tragic death and we'll have to wait and see how that plays out. thank you indeed. capitol hill on lockdown because of the chase. when it was lifted dana bash got ahold of harry reid. for that, let's go back to dana. tell us about your latest confrontation with harry reid. >> it was a conversation, not confrontation. we were invited into his office suite. that's where we were when the scar took place. what we talked about is the fact that things have really gotten personal, not just partisan but really personal with regard to him, to john boehner. he questioned his courage but also with regard to how harry reid and others talk about the party on the other side and especially their key constituent

s see. you have used explosive terms. you called them wacky and the weird caucus and i talked to liberals that are big supporters and say you know what, that's going too far. are you stirring the language with that? >> anarchiest. that's why we have members of congress over there today and yesterday saying finally we're able to close the government. what else did i call them? >> the weird caucus. >> that's probably a little over the hill. >> so i mean, do you think -- are you pledging to tone down the rhetoric? >> i won't give up on anarchiest. that's what it is. they don't believe in government. that's why they want the government closed. this is not pitter pat being, see how nice you can be. you have to explain what you're saying and there is no better

description i can make than saying they don't believe in government, they are anarchiest. >> it doesn't sound like he'll down it down much. the main reason why there isn't a lot of trust there, there really is just frankly, a lack of respect with regard to the discourse that is born out of some really hard feelings that have gone on behind closed doors and last night the fact they had a meeting at the white house with absolutely nothing, no progress at all gives you an indication that this sounds like it might last awhile. people ask when is this going to end? nobody knows. >> i saw warren buffet saying he believes it would probably run onto the debt ceiling, which is two weeks ago and that would be the extreme point of stupidity i think was a phrase, something like that and at that point they would finally not go over the catastrophic cliff of default. is that the kind of feeling

you're picking up, the republicans now think if we keep it going until then we can do some kind of grand recovery plan, which can get us off the wrap here? >> you know, the speaker and his leaders aren't talking about obamacare, getting rid of obamacare as far as negotiating is going in public, but in private just down the hall the speaker had a meeting with some of his closest kitchen cabinet, if you will, and i'm told in that meeting today they discussed exactly that, the debt ceiling, what they can ask for with regard to economic issues, entitlement reform. they are at least privately trying to move forward, which means the shutdown could last awhile. >> dana, thank you indeed. let's go to senator casey. you heard that and we're obviously all watching. i think a vague sense of real depression is like come on, let's get this done. how do you feel as a democratic senator, do you feel powerless

at the moment? >> piers, i think right now there are go basic facts i think that are operative here. one is that the speaker could put the bill that we passed last friday on the floor. it's an amendment really, a little more than 15.5 pages long. they can put that on the floor. they can vote against it, a lot of re ppublicans can vote again it. several in pennsylvania said let's pass a clean bill and get it over with opened the government up. once you opened the government up, that taken care of, then we can begin to go back and i would argue this is going back to negotiation because the original negotiation is we excepted a 70 billion-dollar lower number and by doing that speaker boehner said as dana bash reported to pass a cleaner bill and when he couldn't pass it they went in a different direction. we could continue to work on a longer term budget, if this

passes, this could be over tomorrow we would have a budget until mid november and get through the debt ceiling crisis and have a debate and loud arguments what should be in a longer term budget but do that in november at the appropriate time. >> tell me this, it's not helpful, if someone like harry reed, such a high ranking person in all this, uses praises like there are anarchiest, weirdos, it's not designed i don't think to bring people to a negotiating table. >> there is always a lot of back and forth. if we rolled the tape of some of the things the other side says about our side or about the president, which is even, even worse than you hear even for washington is bad. look, i think most americans can see through that. they know there is two facts, a bill on the floor that can be passed tomorrow, not tonight but tomorrow when they come back and that would end the crisis and

secondly, we got to make as you were as speaker boehner said today, not to go anywhere near defaulting on our obligations. it would be the first time since 1789 we would have a depression or recession for sure and i think we can get agreement on that. we get past the crisis, we can move forward and end the year on a positive note. >> thank you for joining me. >> thanks, piers. let's hear from james lang ford in oklahoma. welcome back to you. let me start with an audience member question here and i want to go to ramiro funez who has a question for you. >> hello. do you believe growing frustration with the democratic and republican parties will bring more attention to third party candidates in the next presidential election? >> you know what? that's the great unknown. a lot of candidates tried to jump in famously ross pa row and others. sometimes they are a difference maker for republicans and democrats but not actually won. there is not others than a few

independence in the house and senate and end up caucusing. i think there is a continual push to redefine the parties and the best thing folks can do that are disgruntled is jump in and try to make a difference there. >> do you still feel comfortable, though, about the amount of flak the republicans are getting and the fact the flak is because people see you as an invited party, they see the speakers unable to contain these renegade tea partiers and the whole thing is shambles. >> you know what is interesting, piers, aren't those republicans divided but when you look at the vote counts that happened this week, there are 20 or 30 democrats voting with us a lot of votes this week and nobody is looking at democrats, saying they are so divided 20 or 30 members voting. do all republicans think alike? no, they don't. we're a big tent party.

we have disagreements in our party but we have common principl principles. not all democrats think alike. there is a lot of divisions there, as well -- >> what is in charge, is it speaker boehner or ted cruz? >> well, i couldn't tell you where it is in the senate side of things, obviously i'm not in the senate but the speaker is in charge of the house. they don't build coalitions unless the speaker leads it. the speaker is in the lead and i hear a lot of people push back and say gosh, there is push and pull he wouldn't go this way but a faction of the conference. that doesn't happen unless there is majority. three years ago when i came to the house, the speaker made comments to us at the very beginning say previous speakers out house had run things in a tight circle and very few had inputs. he wanted to open the house up and let the house be the house. the house is supposed to be boisterous. it's the area closest to the

people. it's a boyce use place. >> thank you. >> thank you for the compassion et coverage. that's a tragic scene and i appreciate the way you covered it. hear the people paying the price like a military dad struggling to put food on the table and a cancer patient, what obamacare will mean for him. that's coming up next. [ male announcer ] research suggests cell health

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800,000 federal workers are furloughed because of the shutdown. a big number but important to put a face to the suffering. tom is a employ owe of the base and joins me now. welcome to you mr. penders. to put your story into context. you're a civilian employee at a

military base and sole provider. one of your daughters, she's blind and has autism and epilepsy and you livefectively paycheck to paycheck and already behind and had to take time off to get your daughter a service dog. you put all this together and makes a miserable picture for you, your daughter and your family. how are you coping with what is happening now? is your biggest fear going forward? >> well, my greatest fear is getting further and further into dent and not being able to climb out, also not being able to pay the bills, put food on the table, pay for the medications my daughter needs, things like that. >> i mean, normally in these situations, you will eventually get the money back that you're not being paid now, but in the hash reality of day to day life, does it help you, that knowledge, or if that goes on for a few weeks, does the pain you suffer in the short-term period be really difficult to handle? >> it is going to be difficult

to handle. there is no questioning that. you know, telling me they will pay me down the road doesn't help me today when i have to pay the power bill, i have to pay the water bill, you know, and i have to pay insurance. i have to go to the pharmacy and my medications for my daughter. how am i supposed to pay for it when i have no money today or when i get paid on my next payday? promising me something down the road doesn't help me today. >> what do you think, mr. penders, of the way the politicians are behaving over this in washington? >> i think they are behaving like a bunch of spoiled children, like a bunch of 5-year-olds throwing temper tantrums, especially the repun cans. they need to get over it. the affordable care act is law, it went into effect october 1st and republicans need to deal with it, stop acting like children and get us back to work.

i feel like i'm being held hostage by the republicans. [ applause ] >> thank you for joining me. i wish you the best in dealing with a difficult situation for you and your family. thank you very much. who is to blame for the shut down showdown? star jones a national spokesman for the professional women's association and just released a clothing line for qvc and also, micha michael berone, how migration transformed america and politics and joining us is josh barrow, the business insider. so welcome to you-all. star, looking forward to having you back, talking in general terms, what is your view? it's a classic story where people say these furloughs don't really hurt people, they darn well hurt people like him. >> they hurt people all over this country. let me put it in perspective.

do you know how hard it is for people to save money on a regular basis? most people not only live paycheck to paycheck. most people are one paycheck away from homelessness, one paycheck away from not being able to keep the lights on in your home, not being able to pay a phone bill. this gentleman just expressed to you passionately what the impact of not getting his pay for just one pay period is. he doesn't get to go to the cvs and get the medicine that his daughter desperately needs. he doesn't get to buy the food, the dog food for the seeing eye dog whose there to help his daughter. these are real problems, piers, as they go into people's homes. >> i see you wanting to jump in. you're not happy with what you're hearing. >> i'm not unhappy with what i'm hearing but this problem was caused by james madison and the 39 other men, sorry, no women, they set up separate branchs of

government, executive branch and legislative branch. we had speaker john boehner sometime ago he wouldn't negotiate with the president because he felt the president wasn't a serious negotiator with the negotiations in august of 2011 and the president said i'm not going to negotiate, they take my position or not and the president has not been one that presents personal charter like schmoozing with politicians, which is helpful. if it comes time to negotiate. so it's -- >> see, that the the thing that i keep coming back to, bill clinton last week told me in a fascinating interview how you deal with opponents, you got to get natural m of it. when he went to the shutdown in the mid 90s, he and gingrich got in a room and thrashed out an agreement. >> not just venn actueventually. i remember talking to newt gingrich. he said one thing you have to

understand about bill clinton, he never stops learning. >> and never stops talking, i mean in a good way. he said they would speak every single day when to the outside world they were at war. >> they were at war. the other cause of this, in effect, it's related to my book "shaping the nation" immigrant back from the scott's irish to the present day, the demograp c demographics of the country. why did we elect a demographic president and house of representatives. they have marginal advantage of redistricting but basically demographics. the vote is clustered heavily democratic groups, liberals, concentrated in many central cities. they dominate the electoral colleague but that because they make a lot of states safely democratic and president obama with 51% of the vote got 33 2 electoral votes. president bush got 286.

equal population districts work for the republicans because the democrats are clustered in a relative few districts and republicans are more evenly -- >> what is the combined impact? >> president obama carried 209 and mid romney 226. >> but he carried the ones important enough to make him president of the united states. [ applause ] >> he got the votes out -- >> yeah. >> at some point, everybody needs to sort of get over the fact that the man has been elected twice. >> people on both sides have principle non-crazy reasons for taking position. >> remember, when barack obama got reelected john boehner said obamacare is the law of the land, we just lost the election, we got to deal with it. now it's a very different story prom him and that's why i got a problem with the way he's conducting himself. it's a fascinating assessment the way it breaks down but what is your ithe impression of the

now. >> that's fine for an explanation why we have a republican house and democratic president but not an excuse why republicans will hold hostage an operational government to have negotiations. i think the president's line is correct where he says i'm happy to negotiate the budget. i want to have a discussion about long-term fiscal reform but first, reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling so we're not doing this in a hostage situation. i think michael is right the president hasn't been very good in those negotiations in the past and i think both republicans and democrats in congress express frustration with his ability to schmooze with congress and educate on capitol hill. he's right the kind of negotiation republicans are trying to ask for now is not productive and the reason they are asking for it is because they feel the only way they can impose their agenda is by getting it through this hostage situation. >> i want to just go to -- certainly different order, not the question i was going to get.

where is michael? michael? get michael a microphone, if he's got one. you got a question i think is very relevant involving america's reputation to the outside world overall this. michael, over to you. nyu graduate student in political science. >> yeah, we're talking about what is going on commerce tickly but i want to know what message are we sending to countries around the world, and especially those that are major creditors of the united states? >> star jones, if you're china and own a third of america's debt you're rubbing your hands in glee. the economy is beginning to recover is now stalling and will suffer ir reputable damage if they default on the debt ceiling. you put this together. this doesn't help america's national interest, never mind anything else. >> you don't want to signal to your creditors that you don't pay your bills. you also don't want to signal to creditors that you can't pay your bills because your boss

isn't paying you and that the where we are. it's like the mother and father and family, we're always taught we don't air our dirty laundry outside of our house, we have outside of house and outside the borders and conveyed to the world we can't figure out how to get along and it's detrimental to women and children. this shutdown does hurt women and children from the poor els of the poor to the working women from the small business administration. i mean, it really impacts on the people that it could not impact -- >> let's take a short break. i'll have more dirty laundry aired after the break. star jones is definitely the woman to do that. next, obamacare and uninsured cancer patient whose life is quite literally hanging in the balance. just by talking to a helmet. it grabbed the patient's record before we even picked him up. it found out the doctor we needed was at st. anne's. wiggle your toes.

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day three, gridlock of victory and the real stake in washington, a rare form of bone cancer and no insurance. james' oncologist from university school of medicine. let me come to you, james. you're 24 and you signed up for obamacare and began chemo. what is your concern what is going on now? >> obviously, this is a scary situation for me. i feel like obamacare was the shining light of my dark situation, but now with all the congressman shutting down everything, i feel like my life

is in a coin flip now. will obamacare pass and i get my life, i get my life increased or the chances of me surviving gets increased or turn the tails? it's a really scary thought. >> you're pretty heavily in debt, i think about $30,000 so this really is a critical time for you and your life and you're just one of many people in this kind of position. let me turn to you doctor, we spoke the other night with another patient. they must all be going through a form of anguish because it's the uncertainty and the last thing people in this position need. >> so the clinic at washington university in st. louis and the cancer center has a lot of young adults that come to see me and colleagues with rare cancers that are just people haven't heard about. most of them are sarcomas and this is tragic. most of these people were in the prime of their life, you know, james here had a business and you know, his life is turned upside down.

we have a foundation called c.j.'s journey helping these people here and we do everything we can because i think it's important that i push as fast and as hard as i can for somebody, especially like james who is curable. >> tell me this, i spoke to have a very imminent doctor, a very famous imminent doctor in america only yesterday about this who didn't want to speak publicly or inspire partisan reaction but he said all the dock tomorrows -- doctors that he knows obamacare, they genuinely welcomed it and felt it will be a force for good in america. now, you know, what we're hearing all the time with this is obamacare is horrible, evil, terrible, it must be abandoned, you are a senior oncologist, at the sharp end of all this. what is your view? >> i think especially for young americans, this is an amazing opportunity to make as you were we can treat you right.

the therapy that happens because people don't have insurance leads to morbidity and mortality isn't right. this is not a third world country, this is the united states of america. we need to stand up and say we need to take care of everyone, regardless of age and make sure that we are taking care of each other. >> yeah, couldn't agree more with you. dr. brian and james brady, wishing you the very, very best with your treatment and to a speedy recovery and you can sort out the mess and have that uncertainty removed from your current struggle. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> we'll go to kathy wester field and her son lucas. happy birthday and you're not interested because like all night you're playing your game and quite right, too. he's a great charter. we've been enjoying his company all everything. tell me what you are going

through now and what your particular concern is. >> as of tomorrow, actually, the head start program in florida will be shut down. the head start program just to give you a little bit of information, the head start program is a service that is provided to children and parents. they not only service the needs of children, as far as providing them with good -- with good foods, some of the students aren't even able to -- the only meals they get are the meals that they get at that school. they teach them how to brush their teeth. they make sure their dental is taken care of. they go above and beyond the call of duty to provide a safe place for these children. >> and this shuts down tomorrow? >> and this shuts down tomorrow. >> okay. >> and also, i just want to say they also provide for mothers. they make sure that the parents get goals and they help to set them up for success.

>> got it. >> so there is a lot going -- >> star, when you hear this it makes me so bloody angry. you're like how can you allow this to happen in america? >> america. >> the land of opportunity, shutting down programs like this because politicians are squabbling. >> what we didn't get to and i don't know and kathleen is a working mom, also, but in audition to completely shutting down the kids, their nutrition that she pointed out, the learning they are getting, it also throws a monkey wrench in working mom's lives. this is where she takes lucas every single day. if she has to take off work and rearrange her schedule, if she does not -- if she does not have a guaranteed salary, then that's going to impact on her ability to feed her family. it's a huge snowball. >> you're shaking your head. >> well, i think -- >> don't give me your answer now. let's have a short break. >> okay. >> we'll form late -- >> i'm not going to form late --

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welcome back to our live time special on shutdown she down. we can end out endless stories of woe, mystery, cancer

patients, and it breaks your heart listening to them. what is the practical reality of how to get out of this ridiculous hituatisituation? >> i object to bickering and squabbling. >> when you hear harry reid call them anarchist k-- >> what i would say is both sides have miscalculations -- >> you think? obamacare is a law. >> laws can always be changed but the point is -- >> you shutdown the government because you want to change parts of established law? >> the republicans made a miscalculations by raising the issue of defunding obamacare. it polled poorly. voters didn't want it. delay obamacare polls better. i think that would have been a foolish thing -- >> you think what is going on is good politics?

>> i think it's good calculations and i think the president on his part seems to think and harry reid seems to think the democrats have great advantage. i think they are over estimat g estimating. >> not about bickering, not about as i see it, playground politics but principle people who may have made a few miskak laxs. your reaction? >> it's a principle situation but they are using hostage -- >> hang on, hang on. let me stop you there because i don't think it is principled. the shutdown of the american government over a established law like obamacare. >> the principle -- >> it's not principle. >> the principle is they don't like the law. i'm not saying it's a good strategy they have an end game here. they want obamacare repealed. the problem is -- >> actually -- >> that's not the end game. the end game is they want to get at barack obama, right?

by the way, it's not just republicans guilty of this. there are 17 shutdowns in america. each one of them is a disgrace. the argument of a great super power repeatedly shuts down the government over petty squabbling is shameful. >> there are shutdowns and most of them are, there are shutdowns over and over again in the regan administration three days, two days, one day. federal workers going without pay actually aren't due to receive a paycheck until october 11th so if we fix it before october 11th and agree to pay them for the days they were supposed to work, it will be all kind of okay. there is still disruption where people don't know whether they will get paid. the problem here is this shutdown is likely to go on for a couple more weeks and be really disruptive to the u.s. economy and other programs like wic that helps women get baby formula. that's run in individual states and they have a little bit of

money to extend the program for a couple weeks, but as it goes on, more and more people will lose those benefits. this is different and more irresponsible. >> thank you-all very much, indeed. i'm sure we'll keep talking about this. >> continue we're tracking tropical storm karen. powerful storm expected to hit the u.s. coast on saturday and possibly make landfall as a hurricane. chad myers has more. even this is effected by the shut down, tracking it explain to me why. >> a lot of the people working for the hurricane center, government contractors got put on furlough and getting called back because this is a big deal. i talked to dennis, he's one of my guys and my pr guy that works up in the hurricane center. he was put off on monday and back today. they are back in business. they knew this would happen. they prepared for it. let me talk about karen for a moment because it could be more than a category one. we're going for 75 miles per

hour but the latest computer models are saying 90 south of new orleans or maybe to panama city. a 90 mile per hour storm won't knock down everything but the problem, piers, this area is a swamp right now. it's rained all summer long here and there will be a million trees that will fall down if the wind is 70 miles per hour there. that will power out everywhere across the southeast. so maybe not a major hurricane cat two or three but i tell you what, there will be a lot of damage with the wind. >> chad, thanks very much indeed. coming next, a preview of the news making interview with benjamin, that's next.

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[ applause ] that's all for us tonight. i want to thank my studio audience and my guests. a very lively evening. tomorrow night my ex kplusive interview with israeli prime minister ned netanyahu. a very interesting conversation. "ac 360 later" starts right now. welcome. thanks for watching. welcome to "ac 360 later." a lot to talk about tonight. incredibly tense moments today in washington. a car chase starting near the white house. ended in gunfire near the capitol. the latest also on the attack in the streets of manhattan, a group of bikers swarming attacking an suv driver. also millions of poor people left out of the affordable care act because governors in the states where they live turning down federal money to cover them. dr. drew pinsky will join us on that. we begin with that chase on the streets of washington. the secret service saying it started when a car hit a barrier on the outside security perimeter of the white house. the female driver of the car is dead. the 1-year-old child in the car is i